I certainly never expected 172 comments on the previous post. I am extremely happy that with several exceptions, participants were very civil – that *is* a reflection of character, previous assessments notwithstanding. I have one or two notes to make, and then I will let the matter lie.
To begin with, let me acknowledge that describing “most” manosphites as perverted may have been unfair – it’s always easy for one to be given the wrong impression by a vocal minority. Nevertheless, the comment stream left me feeling largely vindicated, as it mirrored the tone I have generally seen elsewhere, on every major manosphere blog that I can think of, including the Christian ones. It is upsetting to me to think that we have reached a point in society where the bar for sexuality is so low that we have Christian commenters saying things along the lines of, “What do you mean so-and-so is a pervert? It’s not like he’s endorsing anal sodomy, for crying out loud!” The question of sex is not meant to be a legalistic one about what exactly is allowed and how far the bounds can be pushed. A good general guideline, though of course not foolproof, is the grandparent test – that is: would your grandparents have done this? Or would they ever even have *thought* of such a thing? If the answer is “no”, then your mind has been warped by our pornografied modernity.
Zippy Catholic twice offers a far better articulation than I could muster:
But life is short, and I think the point is demonstrated: when it comes to how a Christian ought to spend his time on-line it is legitimate to ask if witnessing (and linking to) debates over whether Biblical submission requires different kinds of sodomy, and participating in discussions only one degree of freedom removed from same, is worthwhile or wise.
I am going to decline the invitation to discuss the sordid details of various sexual acts, and point out that the repeated instances of enthusiastic fellatio advocacy in the one thread provide context for the other. I reiterate the point that a Christian who takes traditional sexual morality seriously, who finds himself in the middle of a discussion of sexbots and the explicit details of various sexual acts, is well within the bounds of reason to ask himself “what the Hell am I doing here?” and depart, announced or unannounced.
Just so, Zippy; thank you for offering this. It sums up my conclusion (after several years’ participation and observation) very well. Similarly, in response to complaints that I have not identified whom or what I am talking about with exact precision: I decline to do this because I think such things ought not to be talked about and find discussion of them to be creepy. That is the end of it.
For my Catholic readers: I assure you that your teaching on Natural Law forces me to consider swimming the Tiber at times. It’s something I strongly urge the Protestant church to re-visit.
My thanks to the commenter who pointed out that Samson’s Jawbone is ranked something like 20 millionth in the blogosphere – I did get a good laugh out of that, and would frankly *prefer* fewer commenters with *deeper* relationships. Unlike a good many other bloggers, I guess, I write mainly for myself and my own therapy, which helps explain the occasional outburst or premature remark.